SCOTTISH CLUBS IN EUROPE - 03-12

Look at the SFA annual report and the summary of outgoing president, George Peat, and you can be forgiven for thinking everything in the garden is very rosy. We made more money, that will go on rising, and the national team are said to be "playing better" (?). Change is "mibbees .." on the cards. The future could be bright.  Unfortunately... that is the HYPE .. not the reality. The national team`s performance.. and that of clubs in Europe ... is the only real guide to our current status ... and these show persistent DECLINE

Scottish clubs have had a terrific record, at one point a remarkable 7th in the overall standings... to which no other small country comes close. But this is in the PAST.... based on the baby boom post - WWII and the fact that UEFA didn`t start until 1954. Today, there are more countries, more modernised, which SFA are not. And despite two big clubs doing their bit, the future for a badly organised country in the 21st century is ZERO.

How did we do in 11-12 against our forecast BAD YEAR ?  Well, it was a really bad one, with just 12 games (2 wins, 5 draws, 5 defeats, for 11, against 19) very similar to our national team performances (see Scotland Stats), with the regular low points, until CELTIC got a temporary repreive:


SCOTTISH CLUBS IN EUROPE - 10 YEARLY
Season end     12   11   10   09   08   07  06  05   04   03
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Played      18   24   28   12   39   22  16   22   32   25
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Rangers     4     10     6     2   19   10  10    8      8     2
Celtic     8      4    10     6   10    8     2    6    16   15
Motherwell     0      6      6     2    0     0     0    0     0     0
Dundee Un     2      2      0     0    0     0     2    0     0     0
Hibernian     0      2      0     0    0     0     2    0     0     0
Aberdeen     0      0      2     0    8     0     0    0     0     4
Falkirk     0      0      2     0    0     0     0    0     0     0
Hearts      4      0      2     0    0     2     0     6     4     0
Gretna      0      0      0     0    0     2     0    0     0     0
Q. of South      0      0      0     2    0     0     0    0     0     0
Dunfermline      0      0      0     0    2     0     0    2     0     0
Dundee      0      0      0     0    0     0     0    0     4     0
Livingston      0      0      0     0    0     0     0    0     0     4

The 2011-12 mis-adventure means we could drop 9 games ... where we had 10 wins in season 01-02 ... and the prospect of another bad year next time, or the year after, which will do immense damage to our UEFA club ranking, in the same way our FIFA ranking has dropped us to pot 4. That, of course, means even earlier starts in Europe and more `difficult` ties to reach any reasonable level unless the major club owners invest in quality players ... or SFA and Scottish Government accept that major change is needed to produce them.

Also going down, of course, is the number of clubs who play in Europe over the decade. This time we lost Kilmarnock, next season, Livingston, then Dundee, with the reality that only TEN clubs have played in the past five seasons and that total likely to go down ... and down. This is, generally, called DECLINE .... or DECAY .... and means we are less able to compete in future.


Last 10 CLUB SEASONS

CLUB  P (games) W    D    L      F     A
Celtic     85               32   20  33  102-100
Rangers     79               22   32  25    82 - 81

Hearts     18                 6     5     7     17-  25
Motherwell     14                 5     1     8     19-  16
Aberdeen     12                 2     7     5     11-  23
Dundee Un       6                 1     3     2       6 -   7
Dundee       4                 2     0     2       7 -   3
Livingston       4                 1      2     1       7 -   9
Dunfermline      4                  1     0     1       1  -  2
Hibernian       4                 0     1     3       3 - 11
Gretna       2                  1     1     0       3 -   7
Falkirk       2                  1     0     1       1 -   2
Q of South       2                  0     0     2       2 -  4

With the loss of a good season for Rangers (01-02), the balance over ten seasons for the Old Firm is much more even ... almost the same number of ties, similar goal differences. Despite the competitive results, however, Celtic got those extra 6 games to forge ahead again .. but it still emphasises where Scotland stands in the greater scheme of things....

SUMMARY of SEASONS 03-12
Season         P           W  D  L     F   A    %Pts  GD
2011-12      18           3   8   7   18-27       31    -  9
2010-11      24          6   8  10  20-31      36    -11
2009-10     28          6   5  17   30-44      27    -14
2008-09     12          1   3   8     7 -16       17    -  9
2007-08     39        11 14  14   35-41      40    -  6 
2006-07     22          7   6   9    26-28      40    -  2
2005-06     16          4   9   3    21-23      32    -  2
2004-05     22          5   6  11   25-31      32    -  6
2003-04     32        14   5  13   40-28     49   +12
2002-03     25        12   6   7    41-28      56   +13



Consult the SCOTLAND stats and FIFA `competitor country` figures and it is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that George Peat, etc, have simply been polishing up their own records in spite of the MASSIVE continued decline of our game. Putting a brave face on it is one thing .... doing NOTHING to arrest decline is quite another. The recent scoring deficit of top clubs and the Scotland team in `first class` competition, tells its own story. Now, in 2011-12, we can see even more clearly than last season (where the widest year gap was minus 27 goals), that the continuous decline HAS ACCELLERATED over the decade and we are almost as bad as we can be in terms of games played ( SIX would be the rock bottom figure). If we take the last three seasons of the decade against the first three seasons, the goal drop is a MASSIVE 53  ... or now, 18 goals per season.  Maybe new SFA President, Campbell Ogilvie, will finally admit what George Peat consistently denied ... that SFA have got everything badly wrong and we need urgently to change tack. The quality in our domestic game continues to fall ... and the quality of our player imports has also shown a sharp fall. SFA has more cash... but most clubs do NOT.  

BREAKING THE MOLD

There have been lots of moans about the `Old Firm` lot in modern financial times, as well as nonsense talk in the media about them going south or into an `Atlantic` league. These are fantasies.... as long as the leading clubs and SFA do not knuckle down to the problem. They must campaign among UEFA members for a solution...

Our solution to uneven national competition and finance is to introduce REGIONAL MARKETS at UEFA level. Using the CL and EL as bait, these would be effectively `Superleagues` for five or six countries.... probably 12 in all.... which clubs would have to go through to qualify for UEFA competitions. Our `market` would be a BRITISH ISLES LEAGUE, based on the English system and numbering around 118 teams, regionalised at current League Two level for access from English regions and the other four countries, Wales, R Ireland, N Ireland and Scotland. This would put roughly TEN SPL sides in the system and equal financially in terms of competition and media distributions. An alternative to that would be to allow smaller countries, outside of the big ten ... Russia, Ukraine, Germany, Poland, France, England, Italy, Spain, Holland and Turkey ... to form `International` leagues, as has been suggested with the `Atlantic` concept. Again, these require much lobbying and negotiation within UEFA ... rather than domestic headlines and chest-beating in Scotland.

You can go off at as many tangents as you like, but the bottom line is that there are only TWO OPTIONS..... one, inside UEFA and FIFA.... or, outside UEFA and FIFA... and in every case, the `Old Firm, or `Scotland`, need many partners. Outside UEFA, there could be a small chance of Atlantic League, since the `peripheral` countries of Britain and Scandinavia don`t take that much cash from UEFA club or national competition .. but that could be on a substantial increase with central marketting. Inside UEFA, the only possibility is a solution for the whole of Europe ... as we have suggested. And since it doesn`t harm the national teams which Michel Platini has recently pledged to defend, it could easily have his support... a crucial step.

There are still minor games in the big club calendars whichs could provide the opening to expand slightly to lessen any impact of outsiders moving into the `English` leagues, plus UEFA competitions could be expanded with big clubs dropping out of lesser competitions. CL and EL groups might then be SIX clubs, ten games, continuing expansion of TV revenue as a further incentive.

No matter which way you cut it, there are few alternative options which could be supported Europe-wide, the only alternative to which is a breakaway` system, which must be viewed as an absolute last resort. Remember also that so-called `national` policy is dictated by an SFA which depends on UEFA for any kind of recognition, since it is a totally undemocratic and unrepresentative body, and that is primarily in support of the dominant `Old Firm`programme. What if we move on from this state of national football paralysis, perhaps, to a system more suited to the bulk of football clubs ? If Rangers, Celtic, Hibs, Hearts, etc REFUSE to INVEST in quality and domestic production, what on earth is the point in `loading` our competitive game towards their efforts ?  It is clear that we now need a much WIDER football enterprise ....

CLUB RECORD  2002 - 2004

2003 - 04    (32 games)
UEFA Cup q-final
Villarreal     2-0  Celtic
Celtic          1-1  Villarreal         Larsson
UEFA Cup - rd 4
Barcelona  0-0  Celtic
Celtic          1-0  Barcelona      Thompson
UEFA Cup - rd 3
Teplice       1-0 Celtic
Celtic          3-0  Teplice           Larsson 2, Sutton
Champions League - groups
Stuttgart     1-0 Rangers
Rangers     2-1  Stuttgart         Nerlinger
Panathinaikos 1-1 Rangersd   Emerson
Rangers     1-3      Pana          Mols
Man United   3-0  Rangers
Rangers       0-1  Man Un
B Munich      2-1  Celtic           Thompson
Celtic            0-0  Bayern
Lyon            3-2 Celtic             Hartson, Sutton
Celtic            2-0  Lyon            Miller, Sutton
Anderlecht   1-0  Celtic
Celtic           3-1  Anderlecht   Larsson, Miller, Sutton
Champions Lge - q3
Kobnhavn    0-2 Rangers        Arteta , Arveladze
Rangers       1-1 Kobnhavn     Lovenkrands
MTK Bud.     0-4  Celtic           Larsson, Agathe, Petrov, Sutton
Celtic            1-0  MTK            Sutton
Champions Lge - q2
Kaunas        0-4  Celtic           Larsson, Sutton, Maloney, Miller
Celtic            1-0  Kaunas           og
UEFA Cup - rd 2
Bordeaux    0-1  Hearts         de Vries
Hearts        0-2  Bordeaux     -
UEFA Cup - rd 1
Hearts        2-0  Zeleznicar    de Vries, Webster
Zeleznicar  0-0  Hearts
Dundee      1-2  Perugia         Novo
Perugia      1-0  Dundee
UEFA Cup - qual
Vllaznia     0-2  Dundee         Lovell, Novo
Dundee     4-0  Vllaznia         Novo 2, Sara, Rae

2002 - 03   (25 games)
UEFA Cup Final
Porto      3-2  Celtic              Larsson 2
UEFA Cup - semi-final
Boavista   0-1 Celtic            Larsson
Celtic        1-1  Boavista      Larsson
UEFA Cup - quarter-final
Celtic        1-1 Liverpool      Larsson
Liverpool  0-2 Celtic            Thompson, Hartson
UEFA Cup - round 4
Stuttgart   3-2  Celtic         Sutton, Thompson
Celtic        3-1 Stuttgart     Lambert, Maloney, Petrov
UEFA Cup - rd 3 -
Celta Vigo  2-1 Celtic        Hartson
Celtic         1-0  Celta          Larsson
UEFA Cup - rd 2
Blackburn  0-2  Celtic       Larsson, Sutton
Celtic       1-0  Blackburn  Larsson
UEFA Cup - rd 1 -
Suduva   0-2  Celtic           Fernandez, Thompson
Celtic      8-1  Suduva         Larsson 3, Petrov, Sutton, Lambert, Hartson, Valgaeren
Sturm G  5-2 Livingston   Zarate, Lovell
Livingston 4-3 Sturm        Wilson 2, Zausa, Andrews
Zizkov     2-0  Rangers
Rangers  3-1  Zizkov            de Boer 2, McCann                                                                                      Aberdeen 0-0 Hertha B.
Hertha     1-0 Aberdeen
Champions Lge - q3
Basle       2-0  Celtic
Celtic       3-1  Basle              Larsson, Sutton, Sylla
UEFA Cup - qual
Vaduz     1-1  Livingston     Rubio
Livingston 0-0  Vaduz
Aberdeen  1-0  Nistru           Mackie
Nistru Otaci 0-0 Aberdeen
                      

2011 - 12     (18 Games )
Europa League - group stage
Udinese                 1-1  Celtic               Hooper
Celtic                    0-2 At Madrid        -
Celtic                   3-1   Rennes             Stokes 2, Hooper
Rennes                 1-1   Celtic                Ledley
Celtic                    1-1 Udinese              Ki      
Atletico Madrid 2-0 Celtic       

Europa League - play-off round
Sion        (3-1) 0-3* Celtic               * awarded by UEFA
Rangers            1-1   Maribor              Bocanegra
Spurs                0-0  Hearts
Celtic      (0-0) 3-0*  Sion                
Maribor            2-1  Rangers               Juanma
Hearts               0-5  Spurs
Champions League - 3rd qualifying round
Malmo              1-1  Rangers                 Jelavic
Rangers            0-1 Malmo              
Europa League - 3rd qualifying round
Hearts               4-2  Paks                      Stevenson 2, Driver, Skacel
Paks                   1-1 Hearts                    Hamill
Europa League - 2nd qualifying round
Dundee United 3-2*  Slask Wroclaw     Russell, Goodwillie, Daly
Slask Wroclaw 1-0   Dundee United   
* win on away goals

2010 - 11       (24 games)    

Europa League - rd of 16
Rangers          0-1 PSV
PSV                0-0  Rangers


Europa League - rd of 48
Sporting Lisbao 2-2  Rangers             Diouf, Edu  

Rangers          1-1  Sporting CP           Whittaker

Champions Lge - groups
Bursaspor       1-1   Rangers                 Miller
Rangers          0-1  Manchester Un     -
Valencia         3-0   Rangers                 -
Rangers           1-1  Valencia                Edu
Rangers           1-0  Bursaspor              Naismith      
Man. United   0-0  Rangers                 -
Europa League - play-off round
AEK  Athens   1-1  Dundee United     Daly
Utrecht            4-0  Celtic                       -
Motherwell      0-1  OB Odense              -
OB Odense     2-1  Motherwell              Hateley
Celtic              2-0   Utrecht                   Juarez, Samaras
Dundee Un     0-1   AEK Athens           -
Champions Lge - 3rd qualifying round
Celtic              2-1  Sporting Braga       Hooper, Juarez
Sp. Braga       3-0  Celtic                         -
Europa League - 3rd qualifying round
Hibernian        2-3   Maribor                De Graaf 2
Aalesunds      1-1   Motherwell             Murphy
Maribor           3-0   Hibernian              -
Motherwell     3-1   Aalesunds            Murphy, Sutton, Page
Europa League - 2nd qualifying round
Breidablik        0-1  Motherwell          Murphy
Motherwell      1-0  Breidablik            Forbes

2009 - 10  (28 games)
 Champions Lge - groups 1-
Unirea Urziceni  1-1  Rangers            McCulloch
Rangers               1-4  Unirea                 og
Sevilla                 1-0  Rangers              -
Rangers               1-4  Sevilla                 Novo
Rangers               0-2  VfB Suttgart      -
Stuttgart             1-1  Rangers              Bougherra
Europa Lge - groups -
Hamburg SV      0-0  Celtic                 -
Celtic                    0-1  Hamburg          -
Rapid Wien         3-3  Celtic                 Fortune 2, McGowan
Celtic                    1-1  Rapid Wien        McDonald
Celtic                     2-0  Hapoel t-aviv   McDonald, Robson
Hapoel tel-Aviv  2-1  Celtic                  Samaras
Champions Lge p-off
Arsenal             3-1  Celtic               Donatti
Celtic                 0-2  Arsenal            -
Europa League p-off
Aberdeen           0-1  Sparta Praha
Sparta Praha    2-1  Aberdeen        Mulgrew
Din. Zagreb       4-0   Hearts
Hearts               2-0   Din. Zagreb    Stewart, Zaliuskas
Champions Lge - q3
Dynamo Moscow 0-2 Celtic            McDonald, Samaras
Celtic                   0-1 Dy. Moscow  -
Europa League - q3
Motherwell           1-3 Steaua Buc.   Forbes
Steaua Bucuresti 3-0 Motherwell
Europa League - q2
Motherwell         8-1 Flamurtari      Murphy 3, Forbes 2, Slane,
McHugh,Hutchinson
Flamurtari          1-0 Motherwell      -
Falkirk                1-0 Vaduz                 Flynn
Vaduz                 2-0 Falkirk                -
Europa League - q1
Lanelli                0-3 Motherwell       Sutton 2, Murphy
Motherwell         0-1 Lanelli              -

2008 - 09  (12 games)
Champions Lge - groups 1-
Celtic            0-0  Aalborg
Aalborg         2-1  Celtic                Robson
Villarreal       1-0  Celtic
Celtic            2-0  Villarreal         Maloney, McGeady
Man United   3-0  Celtic     
Celtic            1-1  Man United      McDonald
Champions League - q2
Rangers        0-0  Kaunas  
Kaunas         2-1  Rangers             K. Thomson
UEFA Cup - rd 1 -
Nancy           1-0  Motherwell
Motherwell    0-2  Nancy
UEFA Cup - q2
Q of South    1-2  Nordsjaelland   O`Connor
Nordsjaellnd  2-1  Q of South       Harris        

2007 - 08  (39 games)
UEFA Cup Final
Zenit St.Peters 2-0  Rangers      -
UEFA Cup - semi-final
Fiorentina  0-0(2-4p) Rangers  -
Rangers       0-0    Fiorentina      -
UEFA Cup - quarter-final
Sporting CP   0-2 Rangers             Darcheville, Whittaker
Rangers         0-0 Sporting CP        -
UEFA Cup - last 16
Werder Bremen 1-0 Rangers       -
Rangers             2-0 W Bremen     Cousin, Davis
Champions Lge - last 16 -
Barcelona     1-0  Celtic                  -  
Celtic            2-3  Barcelona          Vennegoor, Robson
UEFA Cup - last 32 -
Bayern Munich  5-1  Aberdeen    Lovell
Aberdeen          2-2  B Munich       Walker, Aluko
Panathinaikos   1-1  Rangers         Novo
Rangers            0-0  Panathinks      -
Champions League - groups
Celtic            1-0  Benfica                 McGeady
Benfica         1-0  Celtic                     -
Milan AC       1-0  Celtic                   -
Celtic            2-1  Milan AC              McManus, McDonald
Celtic            2-1  Shakhtar D.        Jarosik, Donatti
Shakhtar D.  2-0  Celtic                   -    
Barcelona     2-0  Rangers               -
Rangers       0-0  Barcelona             -
Lyon             0-3  Rangers                McCulloch, Cousin, Beasley
Rangers       0-3  Lyon                      -
VfB Stuttgart 3-2 Rangers            Adam, Ferguson
Rangers        2-1 Stuttgart             Adam, Darcheville
UEFA Cup - group stage
Aberdeen     4-0   Kopenhavn       Smith 2, og, Foster
At. Madrid    2-0   Aberdeen          -
Aberdeen     1-1  Lok Moscow         Diamond
Panathinaikos 3-0 Aberdeen        -
Champions League q3
Celtic            1-1(4-3p) Spartak     Hartley
Sp. Moscow  1-1  Celtic                    McDonald
Red Star B.   0-0  Rangers               -
Rangers        1-0  Red Star B.        Novo
Champions League q2
Zeta              0-1  Rangers              Beasley
Rangers        2-0  Zeta                    Weir, McCulloch
UEFA Cup - rd 1 -
Dnipro           1-1  Aberdeen         Mackie
Aberdeen      0-0  Dnipro              -
UEFA Cup - q2
Hacken         1-0 Dunfermline       -
Dunfermline  1-1 Hacken             Hamilton
            

2006 - 07  (22 games)
Champions Lge - last 16
Celtic           0-0  Milan AC
Milan AC      1-0  Celtic
Champions Lge - groups
Man Un        3-2  Celtic             Vennegoor, Nakamura
Celtic           1-0   Man Un         Nakamura
Kobnhavn    3-1   Celtic            Jarosik
Celtic           1-0   Kobnhavn     Miller
Benfica        3-0   Celtic
Celtic           3-0   Benfica         Miller 2, Pearson
UEFA Cup last 16
Rangers       1-1  Osasuna       Hemdani
Osasuna       1-0  Rangers       -
UEFA Cup last 32
Hapoel tel Aviv  2-1 Rangers    Novo
Rangers           4-0  HTV          Ferguson2, Boyd, Adam
UEFA Cup group
Livorno        2-3  Rangers        Adam, Boyd, Novo
Rangers      2-0  Mac. Haifa     Novo, Adam
Auxerre       2-2  Rangers         Novo, Boyd
Rangers      1-0  Partizan B.     Hutton
UEFA Cup - rd 1
Rangers      2-0   Molde           Buffel, Ferguson
Molde          0-0  Rangers
Hearts         0-2  Sparta Praha 
Sparta Pr.    0-0  Hearts
UEFA Cup - qr
Gretna           1-5  Derry City    McGuffie
Derry City    2-2  Gretna         Graham, Baldacchino

2005 - 06  (16 games)
Champions Lge - last 16
Rangers      2-2  Villarreal       Lovenkrands, og
Villarreal      1-1  Rangers       Lovenkrands            
Champions Lge - groups
Rangers      3-2  Porto            Lovenkrands, Prso, Kyrgiakos
Porto           1-1  Rangers       McCulloch
Inter MIlan   1-0  Rangers      
Rangers      1-1  Inter Milan    Lovenkrands
Rangers      0-0  Artmedia P. 
Artmedia     2-2  Rangers        Prso, Thompson
Champions Lge - q3
Anorthosis   1-2  Rangers       Novo, Ricksen
Rangers      2-0  Anorthosis    Buffel, Prso
Champions Lge - q2
Artmedia     5-0  Celtic          
Celtic          4-0  Artmedia       Thompson, Hartson, McManus, Beattie
UEFA Cup - rd 1 -
Hibernian    0-0  Dnipro D.     
Dnipro D.    5-1  Hibernian      Riordan
UEFA Cup - q2
MyPA         0-0  Dundee Un    -
Dundee Un 2-2  MyPA            Kerr, Samuel

2004 - 05  (22 games)
CL Groups
Celtic         1-3  Barcelona       Sutton
Barcelona  1-1  Celtic             Hartson
Milan AC    3-1  Celtic             Varga
Celtic         0-0  Milan AC
Shakhtar    3-0  Celtic            
Celtic         1-0  Shakhtar        Thompson
UEFA Cup groups
Amica         0-5  Rangers    Lovenkrands, Novo, Ricksen, Arveladze, Thompson                  
Rangers      3-0  Grazer Ak   Novo, Arveladze, Namouchi
AZ Alkmaar 1-0  Rangers
Rangers      0-2  Auzerre
Feyenoord   3-0  Hearts
Hearts         0-1  Schalke
Basle           1-2  Hearts        Wyness, Neilson
Hearts       0-1  Ferencvaros
UEFA Cup - rd 1 -
Maritimo      1-0  Rangers
Rangers      1-0(4-2p) Maritimo   Prso
Hearts         3-1  Sp. Braga         Webster, Hartley, Kisnorbo
Sp Braga     2-2  Hearts              de Vries 2
Champions Lge - q3
CSKA Mosc  2-1  Rangers        Novo
Rangers        1-1  CSKA M.      Thompson
UEFA Cup - q2
Hafnarfjordur  2-2 Dunfermline   Brewster, Skerla
Dunfermline   1-2  Hafnar.          Dempsey

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